Recorded meeting with Marios Karayiannas: 09-02-2006

Recorded Meeting

And you remember saying that the only windows looking at us would be this window here?
Marios “Yes”

On Tuesday the 7th February, I had a meeting with Michelle at the Karayiannas office in Paralimni. She presented me with the new site plan. I had it faxed to my wife at home and via a webcam, she was able to send me the original plan that was in England.

Marios Karayiannas was too busy to see me until the Thursday morning when we met on site. He had heard from Michelle that I was unhappy with the changes and you can hear in this meeting that he is now offering extra land (where the road should have been) and even the return of money if we’re not happy. Hit with this new proposal of land I asked for it to be faxed to Michaela for us to discuss.

This audio was captured by my camcorder which was the only recording device I had as all this was unexpected.


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On site in Freneros, Thursday February 9th, 2006 around 9am.Present were MyselfMarios Karayiannas and later his father Christoforos Karayiannas.


Morning Marios

About the plot its here OK the corner.
And around 1.50 – 2 metre here OK
But the road that we have here Conor the road that we have is not permanent road. It’s for the project, for example here with the truck now, we have a road a private road connect the other road over there OK. the road the main road OK but because the land over there where is the water is not belong small piece of land is not belong to me. The other owner OK and because they don’t want to make the road now these people they don’t want to pay. OK. the road is going like this later when they come to build for example the municipality said to give the permission you must make the road, so this piece of land here is going to be a green area OK. but for the moment the road that is to connect the two sites the two roads because another road there straight up.
You understand?
You see the road is coming like that come like this turning here this piece of land is over there you see that the road must connect with the other one you see, here’s my land, from here to there is not my land. Here these two pieces as I say to you, are green area, because its small plot and they cant build here, in these two plots

They can’t build? Or you can’t build?

No it’s not my land but they can’t build the other people here.
And the authority they suggest for a green area these two pieces.

So the main road that is going down here including through here is owned by another man?

Yes.Another one advantage you have is if later on, in two years for example or three years they come to build this road this piece of land here you see is belonged for example to the house, 6 metre from the boundary Conor to the edging of my plot is 6 metre, from here to here. OK.

And that’s going to be owned by me?

Yes. You are lucky man because this thing is going to belong to this house later on. I mean because the private road is mine for example the private road is mine. Its mine, I own this private road. When they have to build the road the site the ammicipality and the other people this road is not a road I will give you this land for the house and also to number to this house here number 31. It belongs the side also the other six metre. OK.

So the main road is here?
This house is going to own this part?

Yes this part to the side and you own the other 6 meter here. It’s not my responsibility to give you the land but I give to you the land. OK. From now. I mean it’s not necessary to have this land I can’t build, you understand? But I make this road to connect these roads and the other project together. With the permission like this. OK.

When did this all change?
When did it all change?

We don’t know when these people come to build in their plot or when the municipality decide to connect the two roads, you understand?

That’s when it all changed?

Yes. Listen, now we have this road we make this road here for my for your house and here but later when its changed its happened this sometimes with people that for example to the edging or to the satellites when we put a corner for example, they have more land to the back or you have more so..

I tell you since I told my wife of this
and we have been speaking on like a webcam, Overnight she held this up, a very bad picture, the document is obviously at home. This here was our plot, this was a road and then goes in, this was a children’s playground
This were 3 houses including a bungalow. This was not owned by other people here which we knew. The green area here…
Yes its green area here
Yes that’s right
So you remember all this?
Yes I remember.

Since my wife has now seen this, she is devastated. She hasn’t stop crying. We bought this house so that we would not be overlooked. Our garden, we could enjoy our garden…
why you because of..
because we’ve got balconies here now these are no longer bungalows.
Yes but you understand that I..
And our garden which the reason we went for this is the only window looking into our garden was that window there and now she feels that she won’t be able to enjoy our garden with everyone looking down on us.
I feel if we have to sell this plot now Its knocked 10’s of thousands of pounds off our price Because its so..its not a private garden anymore. We were the corner house along side the road.

It’s a corner house where is the problem? There is balcony’s here they not look into your window. Here the house.

You understand that Conor because that from the first client you came to the property and originally the road was here in it. It was here, now we this design here because the road is stop and we connect this road we transfer the road another plot there. Its look into the plot its not look into the house straight away I mean

I stood there yesterday where the balcony will be here and they can see us all ..
That’s really, really upset us.

Your upset, listen, I have to see what I can do if you don’t like the house, I mean the plot this house now is £180,000 you understand that you buy this house originally off plan design, a very cheap price. If you are not happy or you wife is not happy I have to deal with my father and my advisor what I can do, I don’t have problem, I mean I can sell this house like that.
There is no 4 bedroom house here, a villa for example with this kind of land.

We just want it all back as it was, as it was agreed. That’s not what were after I thought I was just coming to talk about the sink and things and to be honest to be hit with that thing there..
Yes, but we inform you when you, we inform you, when about these things? OK the road is here now. It here the road where is the problem is the house?
You thought that here nobody can build?

But the road is there now!
The road is there yes.
Yea, instead of here now!
Yes but originally Conor..
Instead of here now!
Instead of there, why, No Originally the road was here init this is the corner of the site. You thought that I said to you before you sign I said to you that here I build the houses.
This is the design I use
This is the plan. Is the children’s playground still going to be there?
Here is the playground, here is the green area.
Here is a green area, Here is a green area yes
This piece of land is a green area

And you remember saying that the only windows looking at us would be this window here?
Yes but I say to you before I have the plans that I’m planning to build houses here.

So when did it change to this then?
When did this change?

Listen I don’t know for the moment we have this road here but I explain to you straight away that If later they come to connect the road because this road not stay like this
It Connects….
You have this land to the side also; I will give you this land to the side. OK this here 6 metre from the house.
But its big land.

If we can go to the office, square off that land and fax it to my wife I’ll see if I can cheer her up a little bit because at the moment she wanted to come over or wanted me back at home and its not … from what was our dream house is now turn into she…
Listen, If your wife not happy I will try to do something for you
If we could send her something today it would be really good

We go to the office and we’ll
Take the car

Good to see you yep

This is yours?

When we also discuss this Marios the distance between …The garden seems to come up half way between this house here
So where does the garden end here now? my garden here.

Greek between Marios Karayiannas and his father

OK here is the land its going straight there
OK, From here.

This is the marker yea?

To there IF..IF later on they connect the road
You have from here, straight away here.
Ok there not here.
Now you have 1.50 – 2 meter there
From here later on it’s going straight away there over there
You have six metre, OK you have around 7.5
And then from here it goes across?
Straight away.there yes

Is that distance still the same?
Is that distance still the same?
Where were stood were standing here in the old days?

We go back to the office..